hi there old you know: i figured that when h20 went down and i did not see you, that you have no where else to go.
but, alas!
you have followed us truth seekers to the jwd forum so you can continue your unique education, unlike that old babylonish church you call the watch tower society.. in my post on c-14 you state: ""according to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." that pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that jehovah once destroyed an ancient world;".
***Wow, when in doubt attack the person. Typical JDub tactic.***
Not at all. Jesus often pointed out the ignorance of his challengers. Once he said: "You know niether the Scriptures nor the power of God." It's obvious that most of you fall into that same category. Perhaps I could be faulted for stating the obvious. / You Know
hi there old you know: i figured that when h20 went down and i did not see you, that you have no where else to go.
but, alas!
you have followed us truth seekers to the jwd forum so you can continue your unique education, unlike that old babylonish church you call the watch tower society.. in my post on c-14 you state: ""according to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." that pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that jehovah once destroyed an ancient world;".
***He believes that for billions of years Jehovah miraculously held up a "heavenly ocean"***
That's not what I said. Once a creative act is concluded, it is not necessary for God to continue to act. If that were the case it would be necessary for God to miraculously sustain every living thing since they came into existence by the very same word of God that also caused the waters to part. No act of creation can be replicated by man or nature. That's why contrary to evolutionary mythology, no creatures are spontaneously creating themselves, not can they by created in a laboratory. The folly of uniformatarians is in the assumption that the pre-flood waters were held in vapor form as rain clouds are presently. And of course those sorts of assumptions are what has led scientists to conclude that it was impossible for the atmosphere to contain enough vapor to flood the earth. But a direct act of creation could suspend a compact ocean perhaps many miles, or even hundreds of miles up in a very thin band. ScientistS, for example, are not quite sure why the rings of Saturn are held in suspension above such a massive planet without collapsing Saturn-ward under the pull of gravity, so by the same token we cannot say that the earth was not at one time a shrouded by a heavenly ocean. Even though presumptuous ridiculers like to pretend they have all the answers and can explain the natural world that existed before the flood, we know such ones that reject God's word are mere fools. / You Know
hi there old you know: i figured that when h20 went down and i did not see you, that you have no where else to go.
but, alas!
you have followed us truth seekers to the jwd forum so you can continue your unique education, unlike that old babylonish church you call the watch tower society.. in my post on c-14 you state: ""according to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." that pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that jehovah once destroyed an ancient world;".
To Hawk: ***He admitted there are many many problems with the WTS. After reading that revealing post (and I suggest you get one of our trusted wizzards to dig it up), I believe he is a lot closer to the way you think than you may think.***
You obviously misunderstood my post. From the standpoint of the Devil and his earthly moutnpiece of apostate accusers, the errors and sins of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society are proof that we cannot be the genuine people of God. From my perspective as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, the very fact that the Bible contains prophecies that specifically speak to certain of our errors indicates just the opposite. Because Jehovah's word contains his as-of-yet unveiled judicial decisions that are leveled against his own people, this proves that we ARE his people. Doesn't the Bible say that whomever God loves he diciplines? So, Jehovah's final act of judgment prior to his salvation is to scourage those whom he will ultimately receive as sons. No doubt apostates are presently instrumental in administering a beating upon their former brothers for all of their mis-steps, but also when the future arrives and reveals certain major flaws in the Society's present interpretation of key prophecies, that also will serve as the means of God to humble and refine his family of adopted sons.
The prophet Malachi intimated such a scourging awaits those prospective kings when he wrote: "But who will be putting up with the day of his coming, and who will be the one standing when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and the lye of a laundrymen."
Seeing that the messenger of the covenant has not yet arrived, that means that Jesus is yet to subject his followers to the fires of trial. So, since Jehovah's sons are yet to be cleansed and refined during the fire of the oncoming tribulation, it is obvious that Jehovah is well aware of the numerous spiritual flaws that exist in us personally as well as in our official teachings expressed through the Watchtower Society. What that means is that the conclusions of apostates are directly contrary to the judicial decisions that Jehovah will soon issue. So in that respect my thinking and that of apostates is as different as night and day. / You Know
hi there old you know: i figured that when h20 went down and i did not see you, that you have no where else to go.
but, alas!
you have followed us truth seekers to the jwd forum so you can continue your unique education, unlike that old babylonish church you call the watch tower society.. in my post on c-14 you state: ""according to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." that pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that jehovah once destroyed an ancient world;".
*** The Bible says nothing about life spans reducing because of the flood.***
That is true. Yet the circumstanscial evidence suggests that the greatly reduced lifespan was a result of the changed post-flood environment.
***But, a pre-flood world being more "condusive" as you say is pure speculation not founded on any facts.***
The facts are the lifespans of those who lived before the flood that are preserved in God's word. Too, we know from the fossil record that life was much more prolific thousands of years ago. We know, for example, that at one time the entire earth was covered with vegetation and trees; that there were no deserts. That's why we find peterfied forests in the middle of deserts. And, obviously, that there was a much greater variety of plants and animals in times past. That world no longer exists because the present environment is no longer capable of supporting the kind of life that once existed on this planet.
***But, how to you conclude that a loving God who saw that innocent humans born imperfect with a strike against them is then going to make the planet 'less condusive' to supporting life?***
From the standpoint of the Ever Living God, Jehovah, it matters little whether one lives 900 years or 900 days. To the God to whom a thousand years are as one day it is a difference of a few hours at most. Once the original humans sinned against him they lost the right of access to the tree of life, and when Adam and Eve were escorted out of the Garden of Eden, the whole race came under the condemnation of death. Of course, as Jesus & Paul noted, Jehovah did not leave himself without witness in that he did good providing even the wicked with sustenance and even some with access to an abundance. Over all a greatly reduced life span is a good thing. Can you imagine what the world would be like if this world's many tyrants lived for hundreds of years?
***What kind of God kicks people when they are down?***
Jehovah has made ample provision to eradicate sin and death, as you well know. So, the correct question is: What kind of evil pervert would accuse God of doing such a thing? / You Know
hi there old you know: i figured that when h20 went down and i did not see you, that you have no where else to go.
but, alas!
you have followed us truth seekers to the jwd forum so you can continue your unique education, unlike that old babylonish church you call the watch tower society.. in my post on c-14 you state: ""according to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." that pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that jehovah once destroyed an ancient world;".
There's no reason to conclude that God suspended a heavenly ocean just for sole the purpose of destroying the world. Since God is love, and what he does is for the good of those that love him, the original act of creation that divided the waters above and below, must have served a good purpose. The very fact that the lifespan quickly collapsed after the flood indicates that the pre-flood world was more conducive to supporting life. Perhaps the original heavenly ocean would have gradually dissipated into space. Or, it's possible that it could have remained suspended indefinitely. The Bible doesn't reveal what Jehovah's purpose was exactly, only that "by those means the world of that ime suffered destruction when it was deluged with water." / You Know
hi there old you know: i figured that when h20 went down and i did not see you, that you have no where else to go.
but, alas!
you have followed us truth seekers to the jwd forum so you can continue your unique education, unlike that old babylonish church you call the watch tower society.. in my post on c-14 you state: ""according to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." that pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that jehovah once destroyed an ancient world;".
***I am not sure if your remarks were addressed to me as the post originator, or to AF who posted a response. But, once again, other than a quote from the New World Translation you provide no real discussion or debate or evidence.***
The Bible foretells the very philosophical underpinnings, if you will, for the ridiculers of Christ's presence. The uniformatarian mindset that prevades the thinking of scientists and apostates alike, is well-expressed in the apostle's words, prophetically attributed to the ridiculers who say: "Why from the days our forefathers fell asleep in death all things have continued exactly the same as from creation's beginning." So my comments were directed to all such ridiculers that embrace such a foolish notion.
***I am saying that a global flood that covered the entire planet is not within the laws of physical science, and most importantly, the evidence shows that such a global flood did NOT happen.***
Nonsense. The laws of physical science apply to the world as we know it AFTER creation. The activities of God in creation are not bound by such laws, otherwise no creation would have been possible. Unless you can explain how a bumblebee flies, or how even a "simple" pollen spore came into existence and does what it does, or any of the other wonders of the living world, then you are not in a position to say what is or isn't possible or what did or didn't happen.
***The Bible says no such thing. Watch Tower interpretation twists what the Bible says into some cockeyed theory so they can make Biblical Myth sound as if it were fact.***
I have to conclude that you are ignorant of basic Bible teachings and really not qualified to carry on any sort of intelligent discussion of things pertaining to the Bible.
***As far as C-14, the Bible says nothing about it. But you still miss the point. Even if the earth were covered with some type of water layer, it would have to be a mix of vapor and frequent condensation, which would violate the "Watch Tower's no rain before Noah theory."***
More nonsense. The Scriptures do not say anything about a vapor canopy. In fact the Scriptures say that the "earth was standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water BY THE WORD OF GOD." Furthermore, the Hebrew word "deluge" means "heavenly ocean." An ocean is not composed of vapor is it? The word of God that caused the earth to stand out of water yet remain in the midst of water is a reference to the creative day in which Jehovah God said: "Let a dividing occur between the waters." So by a direct creation of God an ocean was suspended in the atmosphere. It is possible that such an ocean could have been a fairly narrow band of water in a sub-orbital race and that perhaps it absorbed and retained enough heat from the sun to remain liquid. The reason that such a thing is not possible to duplicate now by the known laws of physical science is for the very reason that it was a direct act of God. All such creative acts of God cannot be duplicated. That's why it is impossible to recreate any such act of creation.
***So, I am not sure, even with a dense vaporous cloud just what reduction in C-14 would be, if such a cloud canopy did indeed exist.***
No such cloud existed. An atmospheric ocean did exist by God's word. That means the pre-flood world was very much different.
***The human body maintains a fairly constant rate between stable C-12 and C-14 while alive. Our body passes surplus C-14 through urine and stool. So, if Adam and company were taking in less C-14, then in all likelihood they were passing less C-14 and maintaining about the same ratios as we do today.***
Fine. But there is no way of knowing if any C-14 was produced in the unique pre-flood atmosphere. In all liklihood the composition and ratio of atmospheric gases was different. Some researchers theorize that even the atmospheric pressure was greater back then which acted as a sort of hyber-baric oxygen chamber---turbocharging creatures with greater oxegen, which would account for the enormous size of some ancient creatures.
***You know says that the water canopy must have reduced the C-14 level in the human body back then by at least 50%***
No. That's your figure. No one knows the composition of the pre-flood atmophere. It is possible that there was zero C-14 produced back then.
***You know says that can't be. something must be wrong here.***
Something obviously is wrong. That was the point of my original post. What is wrong is the thinking of ridiculers like youself, that's what's wrong! LOL / You Know
c-14 made simple .
i am reading with amazement the comments about c-14 dating.
thankfully, larc brought my older posts on this back to the top.
"According to their wish this fact escapes their notice, that there was an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water..." That pretty much explains the rational of your entire argument; that as a ridiculer of Christ's presence, it is your wish to blind yourself, and others, to the fact that Jehovah once destroyed an ancient world; even in your foolish presumption of imagining that you have some how disproven that such a thing occured. Because the Bible indicates in several places that the earth was originally shrouded with an atmospheric ocean, and as noted, such a condition would have greatly affected the amount of C-14 produced, you therefore are forced to declare that no such flood took place in order to prop up your cornball theories of human origins. / You Know
but then again, he was just an imperfect man, right?
after all, he was just an imperfect man.
but he was just an imperfect man.
The Bible acknowledges that the human tendency is to follow leading personalities. In the days of the apostles some of the Corinthians proclaimed themselves to be followers of Paul; some of Apollos; some follwed Cephas. So that's the drawl back to having charismatic leaders in that they do detract from Christ and Jehovah. For the most part that tendency has been erradicated among Jehovah's people. Of course, on the other hand, in true hypocritical fashion, the accursed children of the apostasy are said to be those "admiring personalities for the sake of the own benefit." That is certainly in evidence by the way apostate JWs fawn and gush over such dispicable little creatures as Ray Franz and other prominent apostates. Truly that is the most nauseating and disgusting form of creature worship. / You Know
i wrote this to randy walters last year and would like your views on it.. .
dear randall.
i have a lot to say but won't bore with the details, a brief introduction would be appropriate.
The Scripture says that Satan stalks Christians like a roaring lion. You experienced that first hand. Unfortunately you allowed him to intimidate you, and apparently, he devoured your faith. Yet as Paul said, you had not resisted as far as blood. But since you have given in to their pressure there is no reason for the demons to continue to harass you once you left the truth. That's what they wanted you to do and no doubt they have moved on looking for other game. / You Know
i wrote this to randy walters last year and would like your views on it.. .
dear randall.
i have a lot to say but won't bore with the details, a brief introduction would be appropriate.
***She calls herself Mommie Dark, you horse's ass, because she married Papa Dark***
Really? I didn't know that Dracula was married? Any children? / You Know
